Question for Mick West

Post by Patrick –  http://stopsprayingus.com/mick-west

Since the spraying program is covert, officialdom assures us the lines in our skies are just harmless condensation trails or contrails.

Wikipedia defines condensation as:

“the change in the state of water vapour to liquid water when in contact with a liquid or solid surface or cloud condensation nuclei within the atmosphere.”

In other words, water cannot change from gas to liquid without something to attach to, a condensation nucleus. Neither product of jet exhaust – hot CO2 and water vapor – are condensation nuclei.

The only way water can change phase from gas to liquid (or solid) in the absence of a condensation nucleus is when the air is supersaturated – greater than 100% relative humidity. In layman’s terms, unless it’s completely humid (100% or more) water evaporates instead of condensing. Condensation trails cannot form or persist.

Southern Oregon was heavily sprayed from September 7th to 9th – and then it abruptly stopped on the 10th. 60 miles west of Chiloquin, there is a Wyoming Soundings weather station in Medford, where weather balloons are sent up twice a day to record, amongst other things, relative humidity. I took the precaution of saving the data in a pdf.

On September 8th when the skies were filled with so-called contrails, the relative humidity at cruising altitude (33,000 feet) was 23% – less than a quarter of the humidity required for condensation to form. Here’s a picture I took at 7:42pm.

Question for Mick West – Video Gamer Now ‘Con’ trail ‘Expert’

But three days later on September 11th after the spraying stopped, I took another photo in the same location. But although it was almost 50% more humid than the heavy spray day (relative humidity 31% – still too dry for condensation to occur) not a trail could be seen in the sky.

Question for Mick West – Video Gamer Now ‘Con’ trail ‘Expert’

Since this proves condensation nuclei are present on days where the skies are filled with persistent trails, what are they? Could it be that the widely publicized “proposals” to spray us with sulfates, Welsbach materials, nanoparticulate alumina, barium, strontium, titanium and other toxic metals are in fact a currently deployed program? Observational data, including rainwater analysis and mortality statistics back this up.

Some argue they are contaminants in jet fuel, or soot from incomplete combustion. If that’s the case, shouldn’t there be more trails in the sky when the relative humidity is 50% higher?

One of the main proponents of the condensation trail myth is Mick West, who runs disinfo sites Metabunk and ContrailScience.com. I made this video for him:

UPDATE – two hours after challenging Mick West on the Wyoming Soundings humidity data, the University of Wyoming conveniently took most of it’s data offline, including all of North America’s. Good thing I saved a pdf of the damning info.

Read more: http://stopsprayingus.com/mick-west/

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Debunking Mick West and Phony Contrail Science Website

Read more: https://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/08/11/debunking-mick-west-and-phoney-contrail-science-website/

4 thoughts on “Question for Mick West – Video Gamer Now ‘Con’ trail ‘Expert’

  1. This is cute…I’ve been arguing with ‘so called scientists’ about the validity of PERSISTENT CONTRAILS. They laugh at me and put me down, yadayadayada…their entire stand is that these PERSISTENT CONTRAILS are only ONLY water vapor! Anyone who knows anything about ‘green house gases’ would know water vapor is the WORST of all these gases. CO2 is the LEAST problematic of these gases. No one talks about the Methane, Nitrogen gases. We are going through a NORMAL global, slow climate change. Totally normal. CO2 is NOT a problem, not even close. To try to ‘change’ a natural ‘change’ of this planet is irresponsible and destructive. All about money. Power. Our Military has PROMISED to be the ruler of the weather by 2025. What we are seeing are these immature humans trying to rule nature and practicing their powers. They have no understanding nor care about the complexity and connectedness of life withing our thin blue line. I am seeing the nightmare science fiction stories coming to fruition. I am such an embarrassed human…

  2. on Sept 12, 2016 this data was on the U of Wyoming/Atmospheric Soundings Webpage. I also saw Relative humidity numbers for Sept 10 and11. Just wondering if any photos were taken on Sept 12?
    Here: 72597 MFR Medford Observations at 00Z 12 Sep 2016
    —————————————————————————–
    PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
    hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
    —————————————————————————–
    1000.0 113
    968.0 405 28.4 4.4 22 5.44 355 12 304.4 321.2 305.4
    948.0 584 24.4 -0.6 19 3.88 351 17 302.1 314.2 302.8
    945.1 610 24.2 -0.6 19 3.90 350 18 302.2 314.3 302.9
    925.0 793 22.6 -0.4 22 4.03 335 15 302.4 315.0 303.1
    912.1 914 21.5 -0.7 23 4.00 330 17 302.5 314.9 303.2
    880.2 1219 18.6 -1.5 26 3.92 310 15 302.6 314.8 303.3
    850.0 1519 15.8 -2.2 29 3.85 300 15 302.7 314.7 303.4
    821.0 1812 13.4 -3.6 31 3.59 300 11 303.2 314.4 303.8
    819.4 1829 13.3 -3.5 31 3.61 300 11 303.2 314.6 303.9
    796.0 2072 12.2 -2.8 35 3.93 268 17 304.6 316.9 305.3
    790.1 2134 12.1 -7.7 24 2.72 260 19 305.1 313.8 305.6
    785.0 2188 12.0 -12.0 17 1.95 261 18 305.6 312.0 305.9
    770.0 2349 10.6 -12.4 19 1.93 264 17 305.8 312.1 306.1
    763.0 2425 11.2 -20.8 9 0.96 265 16 307.2 310.5 307.4
    761.8 2438 11.1 -19.1 10 1.11 265 16 307.2 311.0 307.4
    751.0 2557 10.0 -4.0 37 3.80 263 16 307.3 319.4 308.0
    735.0 2735 8.6 -8.4 29 2.77 260 16 307.7 316.6 308.2
    734.3 2743 8.5 -8.4 29 2.78 260 16 307.7 316.6 308.2
    707.5 3048 5.8 -8.1 36 2.95 260 15 307.9 317.4 308.5
    700.0 3136 5.0 -8.0 38 3.00 260 15 308.0 317.7 308.6
    681.0 3360 3.2 -8.8 41 2.90 271 18 308.4 317.8 308.9
    672.0 3467 2.2 -5.8 55 3.71 276 19 308.5 320.3 309.2
    656.2 3658 1.0 -6.3 58 3.65 285 22 309.2 320.9 309.9
    648.0 3760 0.4 -6.6 59 3.62 284 24 309.6 321.3 310.3
    623.0 4074 -0.7 -5.3 71 4.16 282 32 311.9 325.3 312.7
    608.1 4267 -1.5 -6.9 67 3.77 280 36 313.1 325.4 313.9
    597.0 4414 -2.1 -8.1 63 3.50 278 35 314.1 325.5 314.8
    591.0 4494 -2.1 -10.1 54 3.02 276 35 315.0 325.0 315.6
    585.2 4572 -2.7 -9.7 58 3.14 275 34 315.2 325.6 315.8
    585.0 4575 -2.7 -9.7 59 3.15 275 34 315.2 325.6 315.8
    583.0 4602 -2.7 -11.7 50 2.69 276 34 315.5 324.5 316.0
    580.0 4643 -2.3 -21.3 22 1.21 277 34 316.5 320.7 316.7
    563.1 4877 -2.3 -42.1 3 0.17 285 35 319.1 319.8 319.2
    563.0 4879 -2.3 -42.3 3 0.16 285 35 319.2 319.8 319.2
    541.0 5194 -3.3 -46.3 2 0.11 295 34 321.6 322.1 321.6

    Something weird: When I copied and pasted the data sheet for Sept 12 it came out on this end all F’d up….So, I went back to the Atmospheric Sounding page; clicked on the Medford….it was supposed to take me back to the data page. Well. Very strange but it would NOT perform the same function it just has a few minutes before. What gives?

  3. Mick makes a contrived claim of wild speculation, that the U. of Wyoming high altitude measurements are inaccurate. If so, what source does Mick use to determine accuracy of relative humidity and temperature in order to make this wild claim?
    Mick also claims that extremely short distances between engine exhaust and visible “contrail” is due to extremely low temperatures at flight level. These claims are made without showing any data, however the U. Wyoming unchallenged data shows > 95% of temperatures between 30,000 and 40,000 feet have remained within 10% deviation at this range of flight levels for decades over the CONUS. Even if the absolute temperatures could be in error, the deviation of temperatures is not sufficient to claim they could plunge low enough to form ice crystals within 18 inches or less from the Turbofan exhaust.

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